So...what do you think of Hyperthreading?

[Rayman2k2]

Whats your view on Hyperthreading? Yay? Nay? Yanay?

[ektay]

Dont know yet the jurry is still out

[slappy]

It seems like it is a little more money then it is worth unless you really really need it.

[61Dynamic]

I'll give it time before judging. It's been put to good use in servers for a while now, but for home use... once the price comes down we'll see

[ektay]

hopefuly by spring the prices will come way down intime for my 6th month upgrade it would go great with a pair of Serial ATA 250gb harddrives

[SteveO]

I am not willing to spend that much on a chip but when prices come down and more apps that I use come out with HT support I will upgrade. I think that its the future of computing.

[Timayh]

It's not for me. I highly doubt I'll ever burn a CD while fragging in a high frame rate game.

[AstrumPreliator]

Well hyperthreading was meant to be a virtual second processor. Motherboards are comming out that support it now. So actually it's just like buying two processors in one. Instead of two Athlon MP's, you can get an Intel P4 with hyperthreading for roughly the same cost.
Personally I don't need it, but if you are in need of dual processors (real or virtual) go for it.

[SSSGaming]

I'm for it, i like the way i could split my processor so my cpu thinks i got 2 say if im runing a virus scan and want to play a game or web design then it makes it easier for me to play without using all my cycles

[SeanOMatic]

I have been running dual CPU's since before it became cool. Wait, is it cool? Anywho, Hyperthreading is nice, since it acts like an SMP machine. Still can't beat dual 2600+'s running in SMP mode, though!

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[BenFranske]

Unless it really takes hold with software designers it's probably another one of those looks good on paper, not used a whole lot things.

[mp3mooch]

i think hyperthreading is all hype right now. i am waiting for the 3rd or fourth gen HT proc.

[n0strax]

yanay

[JDXNC]

I personally think it should have gone in the lower end intel cpu's such as the 18a - 2.4 ish Ghz range, It would have more of an effect there, How much more do you need with 3Ghz? Atleast for now anyway.

[djinn1973]

I dont think that I am going to be playing a game, and burning a CD any time soon, so I think I al pass on Hyperthreading for now

[Alucard]

I am gonna wait till I can hook 20 different processers into my computer..but what will I ever do with that much? Well, thats what I ask myself when I look and see I have uses 6 gigs of my 180gigs of HD space

[Evil_Spork]

hyperthreading = a made up word from intel designed to make them even more money on their vastly overprices and under performing processors.



no.... im not bias... am i?

[ItsTooHot]

So far my overclocked watercooled system is still beating up on 3.06GHz processors. I'm not getting one until they get cheaper.

I'm curious. This thing is supposed to show up as a second processor right? Does that mean it won't work under XP Home?

[Evil_Spork]

no not true. its not a "dual processor" they just put two on one die. its really more bogus than anything. you may get a SLIGHT improvment.

just stick with what you have till the neg gen cpus are out. then get an amd hammer. since they will be beating up on intels version.

[61Dynamic]

There is actually about a 10-15% improvement in speed if you're using mulitple apps at a time. If the apps are muliti-thread capable then that boost is about 20-30%.
I've also been wondering about XP Home too. I keep hearing it will show up as 2 processors, but I've always read that XP Home doesn't support more than one.
Either way, the price has to come down and apps need to take advantage of it before I go for it.

By the way: AMD also has a pattent for hyperthreading. We may end up seeing a Hyperthreaded AMD in a couple CPU generations.

[FreiDogMU]

For average day to day home use, so far nay. There just isn't enough happening at the same time on the typical home computer to realize the potential gains over the added overhead of on the fly context switching.

Now on workstations, especially with the 1mb L2 and 512k L2 + 1mb L3 Xeons and Xeon MPs running multithreaded apps all day long, it's the greatest thing since on die cache. (on die cache having been invented the previous core) In apps like photoshop that use multiple threads to work on a pool of data HT is one of the greatest things we've ever see. Hung waiting for that next pixel group from RAM?, swicth to a difference group already in cache without near the penalty of thread switching and work from there.

[Evil_Spork]

yeah for some things that is perfect. for me i prefer a hot amd. hehe. its harder to overclock them as much but you can.. more fun.

[Master Bob]

I think Ht is a good technology and im going to wait till INtel realeases there 2.4 GHz and above HT proccessors till I actually do get one.

[Conquistador]

I think it's a good idea, but I'm just upgrading now, and I'm going with AMD, so it's not for me yet, maby next time. I couldn't afford it anyways.
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[Evil_Spork]

even if intel has a 2.53 gig HT cpu for like $100 i am still sticking to my AMD's i wont change. amd is teh best.

[Master Bob]

Hey IBM predicted that AMD will be gone in 5 years :(

[Evil_Spork]

and bill gates said 64k of memory is *plenty* for anyone!

ho much do you have?

[Master Bob]

ive got 256 megs of good ol RDRAM. I have nothing bad to say about AMD , they are a good company, I was just reporting what IBM said.




Note: I did not build this computer.

[Evil_Spork]

yeah.. i think its probly another thing like bill gates said. no basis on reality

[FreiDogMU]

and bill gates said 64k of memory is *plenty* for anyone!

ho much do you have?

it was 640k, which was the 'base' memory that DOS was capable of addressing. Actually it was anything up to 1mb, but 128k was shadow ram, the rest was reserved IO memory. Which still exists pretty much untouched to this day btw for legacy int support.
Obviously that was proven wrong when DOS was rewritten to use extended memory in DOS 3 i think.

and i like my 512mb of PC2700 thank you. Though 1gb would be nice....

[apeter]

even if intel has a 2.53 gig HT cpu for like $100 i  am still sticking to my AMD's i wont change. amd is teh best.
It would be hard for me to not buy that one if it ever got that cheap (which it won't so I also will probably stay with AMD) but I also have some hardware that isn't smp compatible so...

[Evil_Spork]

and bill gates said 64k of memory is *plenty* for anyone!

ho much do you have?

it was 640k, which was the 'base' memory that DOS was capable of addressing. Actually it was anything up to 1mb, but 128k was shadow ram, the rest was reserved IO memory. Which still exists pretty much untouched to this day btw for legacy int support.
Obviously that was proven wrong when DOS was rewritten to use extended memory in DOS 3 i think.

and i like my 512mb of PC2700 thank you. Though 1gb would be nice....

he actually said 64k is enough for enyone. so ill say ten times that and make it 640 and i know no one will EVER use that much since its ten times what enyone will need. hehe thats what his thinking was.. it makes the statment even more sad huh?

[randy]

I've got a 3.06g Intel P4 with hyperthreading ind it runs SMOOOOOOOOOOTH man!

[61Dynamic]

Hey IBM predicted that AMD will be gone in 5 years :(

If AMD keeps pushing back release dates for their chips and slacking with supply, this may be an acurate prediction. Intel will be releasing a couple faster chips than what they have out now by the end of the year. AMD's roadmap has them maxed out right now with nothing faster than anything intel will have untill then.

$600 for a CPU thats only marginally faster than the HT 3.6Ghz from Intel and their previous chip!? It doesn't have hyperthreading to make it comparable to the Intel to justify the price. I don't even want to think how hard it'll be trying to find one at first. It's just recently got to the point where the 2800+ is easy to find.

Don't get me wrong, I do like AMD. They do have good chips... For now, they are my best choice. But in the near future, Intel will have the upper hand.

AMD's new chip just no longer have the price advantage over Intel, or the speed advantage. And they certainly don't have the market share to compensate since they botched the release of their server chip.

[Master Bob]

Yes you are very correct AMD is lossing their price advantage in all high-to mid-end processors. Almost all of those are the same price for the Intel equivalent.

[Kemo Racer]

HT is only good in certain situations. For HT to work more programs must be run and it slows down the processor. HT is very useful but only under heavy stress like picture or video editing. If you are getting a computer to type programs in word and play a game from time to time HT will not only be a waste of money but also actually slow you down.

[Kemo Racer]

AMD and Intel both have some interesting pros and cons. AMD is made of a 10-stage pipeline. That is why an AMD running at 2gigs is comparable with a 3gig P4. Intel has a 20-stage pipeline that’s why it is faster. A processor guess what is coming up next but when the guess is wrong it has to start all over. AMD is faster in programs that are more unpredictable and a processor is more likely to make a mistake. Programs like word processing. That is the main reason AMD is cheaper and better for normal people. If you want a top of the line CPU you should stick with Intel because even though it is more likely to make a mistake you don’t need 3 gigs in word processing yet. In programs such as gaming or video were it is less likely to make a mistake an Intel is better. The choice is yours but for hardcore gamers and computer geeks like me whose life revolves around a computer, Intel is the way to go.

[61Dynamic]

HT is only good in certain situations. For HT to work more programs must be run and it slows down the processor. HT is very useful but only under heavy stress like picture or video editing. If you are getting a computer to type programs in word and play a game from time to time HT will not only be a waste of money but also actually slow you down.

HT has just recently hit the mainstream market and not much out there uses it. It's a newer technology. But what about when programs start to use it more?

With intel supporting it in all future chips, many software companies will begin to use it in their aplications. Even Games. Several developers have stated that they could use HT in their games to do things like make more complex AI, or reduce load times.

Once this happens, chips without HT will have a distinct speed disadvantage. Right now though, it is not worth the price, nor is it a reason to choose one chip over another.

And speakeng of cost; What about AMD's new chip? If intels HT chip is expensive because of HT, that makes the 3000+ even more ludacrusly priced. It has no HT, and is barley faster than the previous chip (or even intels HT in some situations (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030210/index.html)).

[Master Bob]

ya but why get the barton 3000+ when you could get the P4 3.06 with HT, which will have better uses in the future, for the EXACT same price!

[61Dynamic]

Exactly!

Because of the 3000+ shortcommings I consider it a non-exsistant chip. Won't consider it, nor will I recomend it.

[Kemo Racer]

AMD is launching its new processor soon but since it will be slow it dosn't wont the Barton to beet it. The Barton is actually slower than 2800. All it has is double the cache.

[61Dynamic]

In terms of high-end performance AMD won't have the chair untill the clawhammer comes out (assuming it performs as promised). But for mid-range to low end PC AMD is the only way to go. And with the Nforce 2 it's equally stable as it's intel cuonterparts.

[Master Bob]

For gaming: AMD only has a slight advantage with low-end processors and Intel is going to be slashing prices again so there is more of a reason to go with intel.

Also the Clawhammer may bomb it because of Intel's new 800mhz FSB processor, and its "Prescot".

[apeter]

Also the Clawhammer may bomb it because of Intel's new 800mhz FSB processor, and its "Prescot".
The Bus speed is Intel's biggest advantage, as I see it. I think that if AMD got it together and ran a 150MHz x4 =600MHz they'd be back in the running again... that's just how I see it.

[Master Bob]

AMD is losing the race.

[61Dynamic]

Unfortunatly that's the case as of right now. The Clawhamer may end up being AMD's saving grace in the home user market. But that can't be said either way untill they release it.

Right now AMD's bad decisions are catching up to it. The best bet to save themselfes is the server market. If the Clawhammer brings 'em back on top in the home market, they still will be in the same spot they have always been in. In second place and just barely able to keep up with Intel. The real money is made in the buisness field (think MS vs. Apple) If they get a good hold in that, then AMD will, for the first time, be able to truly develope new tech in their chips instead of having to copy Intel just to remain competitive.

All of the AMD fanboys in the world will not be enough to save this company. They need to release equally capable, competitively priced chips in the server market to stay afloat. They have such a chip, but as with the other chips, they botched it's release. Now they'll have to do double-time to catch up.

[apeter]

All of the AMD fanboys in the world will not be enough to save this company.
I'm not really an AMD fanboy, I'm a "whatever's cheapest in the middle class" fanboy.

[Kemo Racer]

HT might just be the little push AMD needed to go bankrupt.

[61Dynamic]

I'm not a "fanboy" of anything. I go for the product with the best return for the price. The clostest fanboy-ism I have is toward American muscle cars. 8)

Anyhow, Intels release of HT in their home user chis certainly doesn't help AMD. Even though AMD does have a patent leting them use HT, it's unclear how tested it is.

Since this is turning ito a what's killing AMD threat and not much about HT, I opened up a new thread here called Will The End Come To AMD? (http://www.yoshi.us/forums/viewforum.php?f=13)