The Official Console Debate Thread

[Lem6687]

Here is where we all come to argue about consoles. Why you think which system is better. People i dont want to turn this into a flame war, keep it clean and just add your 2 cents on the system that you think is best.

Also vote on the poll to put your console ahead!

[Conquistador]

I bought a gamecube... but that's because i wanted rogue leader and super smash bros melee, and I am going to get the windwaker too.
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[n0strax]

Xbox for power...
PS2 for good games...
GameCube for little kids...

that's how i've always seen it.

[masud911]

i think xbox is the best because of power and potential!!!

[channbei]

I have all 3 of them and I like them.

[tuxedojericho]

I have, and love, all 3 systems. One is not any better or worse than the others, so I will list why I like and dislike the systems.

1. PS2 Like: More Games than others. Dislike: More Crap games
2. XBOX like:HARD DRIVE Dislike:Size & Weight
3.GC like:Game Quality Dislike:Memory storage*

*I dont like the GC's game storage way, I mean one game (Madden 2002)takes all 59 block of small MC, and some like Metroid Prime only take 1. Dont know why.

[Master Bob]

well in my opinion PS2 is the worst console out there, with gamecube coming in second, and X-Box the best!!!!!!!!!

X-Box is the best because it is the most powerful, has GREAT potential, as the BEST online gaming, has a HD, and of course has Halo!!

Gamecube is second because Nintendo makes GREAT games, it has horrible online support, has the second best graphics, no HD, and mainly geared towards little children.

PS2 is last because it has the worst graphics, u need to buy 40 add on to play online, no HD, bad controller, must buy HD, little games will support HD if HD even comes out, and the only plus is it has a bunch of games but half are bad.

[tuxedojericho]

Gamecube is second because Nintendo makes GREAT games, it has horrible online support, has the second best graphics, no HD, and mainly geared towards little children.


You should see "Eternal Darkness:Sanity's Requiem" that is NOT a kiddie game.. I mean, a firend got his hea dlopped off in the game, and next time he played.. HEADLESS PUD (his nickname). Resident Evil & RE 0 are not kiddie games either.. I know that a lot of the games are kiddie based, but it could be worse...

[Master Bob]

Yes all im saying is that Gamecube is more geared towards children, therefore the number of games with a child atmosphere will FAR outnumber those with an adult atmosphere.

[[GF]Burke]

its about "content". there is only 1 that brings it.

Halo is an expensive game @ $250.00. (x-box +game)

[Master Bob]

Of course the only reason Halo is so "expensive"($50) is because it is so good.

Halo is an expensive game @ $250.00. (x-box +game)+Jet set radio future+Sega GT=$350-free games=$250

[[GF]Burke]

ya tru, im just saying halo would be the only reason to get one..for me.. then again, Halo2 is com'n to PC.

SegaGT< GT3
Jetset...um....lol idk...

[Killer McCoy]

some of you guys are such fanboys I cant believe it. it doesn't matter how much power a system has or if the games are kiddy what matters is the games I liked pikman on the gamecube and it's a "kiddy" game and socom on ps2 even-thought it looks like crap. its not about Xbox rules or PS2 is the best. but it's about the games. now that I said that I'm going to comedown to your level. :lol:

I think xbox is a POS because you can get any good game that comes out for it on ps2 gamecube or PC and don't tell me how its the all powerful xbox because I sick of you dam people that say that. so I'm going to set it striate the xbox has a 733mhz pIII in it what the hell whoptedo slow a$$ piece of crap a GEFORCE 3 and a 8gb hardrive the highest res you can get is 640x480 unless you have a $2000 hdtv personally I am a high res kind of guy (right now I'm playing splinter cell n all its high res glory @1600x1200 Max settings and getting 50fps :lol: ) take that fan boys is xbox so POWERFUL now? it only gets like 20fps on the xbox hey I haven't used a pc for gaming as slow as the xbox for 3 years :wink:
And don't tell me that you have halo it sucks it stole all it's ideas from tribes and games like BF1942 have far surpassed it in terms of gameplay.
oh and if you read about how the xbox was made microsoft through it together in one month! and a week before they were going to announce it they changed the CPU from an amd to a p3! a week!!! its a poor-mans pc!!! but if its all you can afford its not all bad just make shure you get a gamecube and a ps2 first :D

just my two and a half cents.

[Lem6687]

Burke"]ya tru, im just saying halo would be the only reason to get one..for me.. then again, Halo2 is com'n to PC.

SegaGT< GT3
Jetset...um....lol &nbsp; idk...

Halo 1 is coming to the PC, there are no plans for Halo 2 coming to the PC, not yet at least.

[Lem6687]

some of you guys are such fanboys I cant believe it. it doesn't matter how much power a system &nbsp;has or if the games are kiddy what matters is the games I liked pikman on the gamecube and it's a "kiddy" game and socom on ps2 even-thought it looks like crap. its not about Xbox rules or PS2 is the best. but it's about the games. now that I said that I'm going to comedown to your level. &nbsp;:lol: &nbsp;

I think xbox is a POS because you can get any good game that comes out for it on ps2 gamecube or PC and don't tell me how its the all powerful xbox because I sick of you dam people that say that. so I'm going to set it striate the xbox has a 733mhz pIII in it what the **** whoptedo slow a$$ piece of crap a GEFORCE 3 and a 8gb hardrive the highest res you can get is 640x480 unless you have a $2000 hdtv personally I am a high res kind of guy (right now I'm playing splinter cell n all its high res glory @1600x1200 Max settings and getting 50fps :lol: ) take that fan boys is xbox so POWERFUL now? it only gets like 20fps on the xbox hey I haven't used a pc for gaming as slow as the xbox for 3 years &nbsp;:wink:
And don't tell me that you have halo it sucks it stole all it's ideas from tribes and games like BF1942 have far surpassed it in terms of gameplay.
oh and if you read about how the xbox was made microsoft through it together in one month! and a week before they were going to announce it they changed the CPU from an amd to a p3! a week!!! &nbsp;its a poor-mans pc!!! but if its all you can afford its not all bad just make shure you get a gamecube and a ps2 first &nbsp;:D

just my two and a half cents.

That was a stupid comment. Why the hell do you call us all fanboys, when you just proved to be the biggest fanboy here.

Of course the xbox inners suck, COMPARED TO A PC! Now lets compare the PS2, to Xbox, another CONSOLE! Lets see...

Processor Xbox 733mhz
Processor PS2: 300mhz

Graphics
Geforce 3 for xbox
God knows what for ps2, because there card in the ps2 is a POS

Every game that is released on all 3 consoles. Is always better on Xbox

Proof of that is MAX PAYNE! Have you ever seen this game on the PS2, it looks like a peice of crap, the controls for the game suck, and the gameplay is horrible, they more than watered down this game on PS2, they ruined it

Not to mention all the sports games are like shit on the PS2 compared to the Xbox

I dont seem to know why you think the PS2 can actually be better than Xbox. The specs on the Xbox are better and every catergory. Every game released on both systems always end up being better on Xbox. PS2 only has 2 good games out of the 500 that are just pure CRAP!

You PS2 fanboys tend to amaze me sometimes with these facts that you pull out of your ass.

Then you try to compare the Xbox to a PC just to prove that the PC is better. Well no kidding!!!!! Of course the PC is better. Xbox is not a PC, its a console. Compare it to other consoles! Oh wait, then that would diminish the point of your post now wouldnt it.

Thats all.

[Killer McCoy]

now there you go doing the normal Xbox owner thing. oh the Ps2 has A 300mhz Cpu and my Xbox has a 733mhz cpu so its better:P. if you had Read my post you would have noticed that I said the graphics on the ps2 suck so? there are still allot of good games on the ps2 and thats what matters you cant get gtavc on any other system jak and daxter ace combat 4 devil may-cry Grand tursmio 3...... you get my point now? the ps2 and the game cube have games you cant get any were else were the xbox gets leftovers or crap with the exception of Halo and it's coming to the PC. there is not a reason to buy the system. I go were the best games are if MGS2 or Grand Theft Auto or Splinter Cell were Xbox only games I would buy one but as of right now there is not a reason to spend $200+ on the Xbox when I can spend it on a new graphics card and get 150+ FPS in BF1942. :-P

Its the Games not The Graphics

[Lem6687]

I dont know if you realize but a 733mhz cpu is better than a 3mhz one! Thus making the xbox one better! Geeze. O good you named a couple more decent games, id exlude jack and daxter and ace combat 4 and than what maybe you have 10 GOOD GAMES out of the 500+ bad ones....

Xbox has loads of good games, and loads of good games coming out....
Halo
NFL2k3 (better on xbox)
Splinter Cell
Unreal Championship
Ghost Recon
Mech Assualt
Jedi Knights 2
SW: Kotor
Tao Feng: Fist of the Lotus
Mortal Kombat: Deadly Aliance
Toe Jam and Earl 3
Doom 3
Duke Nukem Forever
Blood Rayne

and the list goes on. Why do you PS2 Fanboys try to make the 3 or 4 games you like seem like they are the best in the world! 3 or 4 game! out of the 500+ ones

Now i know your gonna counter with, "Why I can play these games on the pc" Well of course you can, but were not talking about PC's were talking about consoles.

[scorpion8535]

Yo PS3 is come out.
here http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3/

[Killer McCoy]

hey If you like xbox good for you but it still sucks so dose ps2 and gamecube!!!! you are not getting my point the only reason ps2 and gamecube are better then xbox is because they have games you cant get any were else. PC rules them all.... if xbox had games that ps2 and gamecube have as xbox only games then xbox would be #1
it is more powerful and might have a better design but the games are not there. so its doomed to failure Oh and as far as sports games go you cant play madden online with the xbox but you can with ps2.

[Killer McCoy]

Oh and Toe Jam and Earl 3 Sucks so I don't see why you have it in that list.

[Lem6687]

First off...Madden Sucks...its the worse football game out...Madden 94 was good and the rest from there have sucked. NFL2k3 is the best.

There are no xbox only games? What are you talking about
Halo
NFL Fever 2003
Fusion Frenzy
Tao Feng: Enter the Lotus
Unreal Championship
Brute Force
Toe Jam and Earl 3

and again, the list goes on....I dont know where your pulling the info from....and im also taking a really good educated guess that you have never played Toe Jam and Earl 3 or any of the others, nor do you even own and Xbox.

[Killer McCoy]

I don't own a xbox I have played TGAE3 and 2 and 1 and Unreal Championship is just URT2003 for the xbox. and notice how your list of games is getting smaller. :lol: and as far as madden it's the best football game out but don' take it from me you can check for your self http://ps2.ign.com/articles/367/367202p1.html
http://gamespot.search.com/search?q=madden

HMMM....

your points are beginning to crumble MOOOOWWAAAAAHAHHAAHHAHHAH..........

[Lem6687]

Maddens more popular because it has been out longer! NFL2k3 is better...the sales prove it...the ratings prove it ok.

And again, your comparing games to the PC, where not talking about the PC, where talking about Consoles. My list of games are getting smaller because i dont feel like writing them all down.

Edit: What do those site proves...IGN gives the same rating for NFL2k3 and gamespot gives NFL2k3 a higher rating, http://gamespot.search.com/search?q=NFL+2k3

[Killer McCoy]

you can play NFL2k3 on ps2 and gamecube? duh.. and I said Xbox dose not have any GOOD!! Xbox only games besides Halo.

[Lem6687]

you can play NFL2k3 on ps2 and gamecube? duh.. and I said Xbox dose not have any GOOD!! Xbox only games besides Halo.
omg....i already posted most of THE GOOD ONES...if you even saw my above post....Its your opinion that you think the games are bad....UC...Every site that I have visited gave the game a good rating....Thus making its more of a fact that the game is good. As well as the others that I have posted.....Id like to see your list of games that are good on PS2 ONLY....i can think of two, Gta3 and Vice City.

[Killer McCoy]

All titles listed have at least 5 reviews and an average overall rating of 4.5 or better!

Game Title Manufacturer # of Reviews Rating



Activision Anthology Activision 6 4.67
Armored Core 2 - Another Age Agetec 17 4.53
Blood Rayne Majesco 11 4.82
Devil May Cry Capcom 114 4.51
Dynasty Warriors 3 Koei 73 4.84
Gauntlet Dark Legacy Midway 30 4.53
Guilty Gear Majesco 10 4.70
Klonoa 2 Namco 17 4.59
Mortal Kombat - Deadly Alliance Midway 35 4.69
Namco Museum Namco 5 4.60
Onimusha 2 - Samurais Destiny Capcom 18 4.50
Ratchet and Clank Sony 30 4.97
Red Faction THQ 102 4.56
Rez Sega 12 4.58
Star Wars - Jedi Starfighter Lucasarts 7 4.71
Time Crisis 2 Namco 8 4.63
Twisted Metal Black Sony 110 4.58
Virtua Fighter 4 Sega 63 4.51
War of the Monsters Sony 9 4.78
Adventure:
Drakan - The Ancients Gates Sony 22 4.68
Ecco the Dolphin - Defender of the Future Acclaim 5 4.60
Fatal Frame Tecmo 25 4.64
Hitman 2 Eidos Interactive 26 4.54
Ico Sony 69 4.71
Jak and Daxter Sony 44 4.64
James Bond 007 - NightFire Electronic Arts 18 4.61
Legend of Alon Dar UBI Soft 10 4.60
Pirates - The Legend of Black Kat Electronic Arts 12 4.50
RLH Interplay 8 4.63
Sly Cooper And The Thievius Raccoonus Sony 13 4.69
Spiderman Activision 39 4.59
Puzzle:
Frequency Sony 10 4.60
Racing:
Burnout 2 - Point of Impact Acclaim 19 4.74
Grand Theft Auto 3 Rockstar Games 316 4.74
Moto GP Namco 14 4.57
Moto GP 2 Namco 5 4.80
Nascar - Dirt to Daytona Infogrames 5 5.00
Nascar Thunder 2003 Electronic Arts 8 4.63
Need for Speed - Hot Pursuit 2 Electronic Arts 38 4.53
Rumble Racing Electronic Arts 13 4.69
Splashdown Infogrames 14 4.50
Tokyo Xtreme Racer: Zero Crave Entertainment 57 4.63
Total Immersion Racing Sierra 6 4.67
World of Outlaws Sprint Cars 2002 Infogrames 22 5.00
WRC - World Rally Championship Bam 13 4.62
Roleplaying:
dot Hack Bandai 15 4.80
Grandia 2 UBI Soft 16 4.63
Grandia Xtreme Enix 7 4.57
Kingdom Hearts Square 68 4.66
Kings Field - The Ancient City Agetec 12 4.83
Legaia 2 - Duel Saga Eidos Interactive 10 4.50
Shadow Hearts Midway 20 4.50
Summoner 2 THQ 5 4.80
TimeSplitters 2 Eidos Interactive 25 4.52
Wild Arms 3 Sony 10 4.50
Simulation:
Ace Combat 4 Namco 47 4.70
SOCOM - US Navy Seals Sony 53 4.62
The Sims Electronic Arts 10 4.90
Sports:
Aggressive Inline Acclaim 19 4.84
Cabelas Big Game Hunter Activision 9 4.89
Hot Shots Golf 3 Sony 35 4.54
Kelly Slaters Pro Surfer Activision 6 5.00
NBA 2K2 Sega 74 4.54
NCAA Football 2002 Electronic Arts 82 4.84
NCAA Football 2003 Electronic Arts 60 4.70
NHL 2K3 Sega 33 4.73
NHL Hitz 2003 Midway 7 4.86
Pro Evolution Soccer Konami 7 4.57
SSX Tricky Electronic Arts 35 4.71
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2002 Electronic Arts 44 4.64
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2003 Electronic Arts 7 4.86
Tony Hawks Pro Skater 4 Activision 23 4.70
Strategy:

[Killer McCoy]

http://videogamereview.com/fame/sony_playstation_2.asp

and
and the xbox list 1/4 as long http://videogamereview.com/fame/microsoft_x-box.asp
:lol:

I edited cuz you double posted and this coulda been edited to add the xbox link.

[Lem6687]

Another thing PS2 fanboys dont seem to understand...PS2 HAS BEEN OUT LONGER!!!!!! Of course it will have a longer list!!....and you got the same ratings for PS2 game as Xbox games on those links...

[Killer McCoy]

WTH MY POINT IS THAT THERE ARE MORE GOOD GAMES OUT ON OTHER PLATFORMS THEN THE XBOX OK!!!!!!!!!!

[Lem6687]

Your Wrong....THERE ARE MORE GAMES OUT FOR PS2! DOESNT ENTIRELY MEAN THAT THEY ARE GOOD!

I beleive that there are just as many good games out for Xbox than PS2

PS2 has tons and tons of crappy games...and some good games

Xbox has a small archive (which will expand) with a bunch of good games.

[Killer McCoy]

do you own a ps2? or a gamecube?

[Lem6687]

I did own a PS2 and sold it...Yes i do own a GC.

[Mattitude]

Of course the xbox inners suck, COMPARED TO A PC! Now lets compare the PS2, to Xbox, another CONSOLE! Lets see...

Processor Xbox 733mhz
Processor PS2: 300mhz

Graphics
Geforce 3 for xbox
God knows what for ps2, because there card in the ps2 is a POS

Every game that is released on all 3 consoles. Is always better on Xbox

Proof of that is MAX PAYNE! Have you ever seen this game on the PS2, it looks like a peice of crap, the controls for the game suck, and the gameplay is horrible, they more than watered down this game on PS2, they ruined it

Ok I agree with you Lem

I can think of 2 more games that they made fugly on a PS2 conversion.

Ghost Recon and Splinter Cell, WHY IN THE HELL DID THEY EVEN TRY TO PUT SPLINTER CELL ON A SYSTEM THAT CANT HANDLE THE GAME THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAYED????????? No good lighting effects, no surround sound, they just RUINED the game by putting it on the POS2.

[Mattitude]

do you own a ps2? or a gamecube?I used to own all three

The crappiest one I sold for money, can you guess which one it was?

Thats right! It was indeed the POS2

Most games, yes quality games, nope, lacking in that department

[masud911]

i own an xbox n plan 2 buy the next xbox. i luv nintendo but i just cant connect with the gamecube so i'll c if nintendo redeems itself next genereation.

[randy]

I think that the PS2 has the most potential because, A. it has the most games, B. it has more "high rated" titles, C. it has been out longer, and D. more people own PS2s compared to XBOX and GameCube.

[Lem6687]

I think that the PS2 has the most potential because, A. it &nbsp;has the most games, B. &nbsp;it has more "high rated" titles, C. &nbsp;it has been out longer, and D. &nbsp;more people own PS2s compared to XBOX and GameCube.
Any we got a winner of doesn't know what the heck he is talking about award :P

[randy]

I think that the PS2 has the most potential because, A. it &nbsp;has the most games, B. &nbsp;it has more "high rated" titles, C. &nbsp;it has been out longer, and D. &nbsp;more people own PS2s compared to XBOX and GameCube.
Any we got a winner of doesn't know what the heck he is talking about award :P

Actually, I do know what I am talking about. I have a minor in Video Graphics Engineering and Interactive Video/Sound Systems. (in English it means a degree in video games.)

[masud911]

where and when did u get it?

[Lem6687]

I think that the PS2 has the most potential because, A. it &nbsp;has the most games, B. &nbsp;it has more "high rated" titles, C. &nbsp;it has been out longer, and D. &nbsp;more people own PS2s compared to XBOX and GameCube.
Any we got a winner of doesn't know what the heck he is talking about award :P

Actually, I do know what I am talking about. I have a minor in Video Graphics Engineering and Interactive Video/Sound Systems. (in English it means a degree in video games.)

Yea...well it didnt show in that above post :roll:

[Anonymous]

You're all freakin wrong, NES owns all.

Thank you forum closed drive though.

P.S. Lem fix your freakin sig before I break your knee caps. :lol: :twisted: :lol:
There is nothing I hate more on forums then broke images.

And masud911 dont think I forgot about you. why the heck do you need a 150x150 pixel avatar? you think we are all blind, we've all seen the xbox logo.

[randy]

Well you asked where I got my degree in video games, so here it is.

I got my degree from MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology) in the Video Game Developement Department. I will only give out more details in PMs.

Oh Yah, somebody asked when. One year after highschool I went looking for universities and colleges that offer something with the production of video games. And its this simple, four years later I graduated with a degree in video games.

[Lem6687]

I find this very hard to believe from you Randy out of all the people here to go to MIT, because you have no common sense what so ever. You spam the boards with useless crap just to get a lot of post....I would expect intelligent responses from someone who came out of MIT :roll:

[randy]

Compared to those other weirdos @ MIT, I am an alright guy. Trust me, there were some total WEIRDOS up there at MIT. One guy I knew, well not really, only spoke in "Gothic". Thats weird.

[apeter]

I have a minor in Video Graphics Engineering
A quick search on the mit website for video grapics engineering returns nothing to show that course even exists, check that out here (http://gloomybog.mit.edu/query.html?qt=video+graphics+engineering)
However, a search for civil engineering returns result that can assure the world that they offer that course. Don't believe me? It's right here (http://gloomybog.mit.edu/query.html?col=mitspcl&col=iap&col=fmdb&col=webmit&col=websrvrs&charset=iso-8859-1&ht=0&qp=&qt=civil+engineering&qs=&qc=&pw=100%25&ws=0&la=en&qm=0&st=1&nh=10&lk=1&rf=1&rq=0&si=0)

[randy]

try the Michigan Department of Education's website and you will find Video Graphics Engineering as a course avaible at MIT.

[apeter]

uh, no: here (http://www.michigan.gov/mde/0,1607,7-140----S,00.html).
Tell you what... find a link for it from the MIT website, and I'll believe you.

[Lem6687]

try the Michigan Department of Education's website and you will find Video Graphics Engineering as a course avaible at MIT.

So thats where you found that fake information.

[randy]

It is not fake information. Why would I go through all of that anyway to lie about my occupation?

[Lem6687]

so you wouldnt look as stupid to people when you spam.

[randy]

First off, I really don't care what other people think about me.

Ok now, can we please just stop this and get along and it will be much more peaceful at Yoshi's Boards.

[masud911]

actually i believe randy. if he can afford a range n a mac then i think he has at least one drop of intelligence. btw wutz ur occupation.

[Master Bob]

ya great console debate!! NOT!

Anyways, no system sucks as anyone puts it, all the systems are good just that some have better pros than another. Here is my list on the incorrect information, in my opinion, that has been posted here in this thread:

[list]1st of the Xbox DOES NOT have a Geforce 3 graphics card. It has a CUSTOM made graphics card specifically made for the Xbox by Nvidia; which, before the geforce 4 came out, was the most powerful GPU in the public sector.

2nd of, a week before Microsoft announced the launch of the Xbox they changed the GPU from one they made to one Nvidia made. Which was a good choice since, at the time the xbox launched, it had the power to create games with the best graphics on all systems, PC to consoles.

3rd of the PS2 HAS NO POTENTIAL! (Potential-Adj: 1. existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits> From www.m-w.com)The PS2 has been out long enough that the developers are familar with the graphics are not going to improve with time, so the graphics are NOT going to get much better Not only that but by definition the PS2 has little potential. Currently the xbox has the most potential developers have not been even able to adequately dip into the Xbox's power.

4rth of the xbox is WAY more developer friendly. It is much more easier to develop a game then on any other system. it took a lot longer for the games on the PS2 to look as good as the xbox's games now, not like the PS2 can ever really match the xbox's graphical capabilites.

5th the xbox can adapt to new advances in the graphical world, for example lets say they develop a new way to shade pixels well they can code that into the game and then the xbox will be able to create the game with this new way to shade pixels.
[list]

PS2 has no or very little potential , and it has been addmeitted by many that the xbox has the most potential. Xbox is clearly the supeiror system, with the beswt setup, the most longevity, the best potential, and the best games.

[Lem6687]

Thank you for an intelligent post. You know your facts my friend. :D

[apeter]

Good points Bob, but there's also the on-line side of the story:
The Xbox's on-line gaming has seemed to take off much faster than that of the PS2, and I haven't seen anything for the Game Cube yet. Game makers will see the Xbox's on-line activity and (I'm assuming) make more of games to support it.

[Lem6687]

The only thing gamecube has planned for online play thusfar, that I beleive is out (not sure) is Phantasy Star Online. :(

[Kemo Racer]

XBox is the best for several reasons. The only consol I own is an old N64 so this is an unbiased opinion. XBox is the newest console to which should be reason enough. To add to that it is made by Microsoft, which owns 90 percent of the computer industry. I do not like there methods and ways but they do make some pretty good things. When the XBox first came out it had better graphics than the best leading graphics card. The XBox also has a lot of potential and can be easily modded with a bigger hard drive to act as a normal desktop. Even though this is Microsoft’s first game console and they are losing money on it, it is a really good system.

[Master Bob]

I did not mention the online factor because i had already mentioned it on my first post in the debate. Second of Phantasy Star Online is on GC with online play. also with Xbox its pay one fee play ANY game online were PS2 and GC its a game by game bases. And Microsoft is NOT planning to make any money on the Xbox they are in for the LONG haul.

[apeter]

I did not mention the online factor because i had already mentioned it on my first post in the debate.
oops :oops:

[masud911]

im really pissed off rite now cause they announced that halo 2 is coming out 2004 delayed from the hoped date of christmas 2003!!!!!!!!!!

[Lem6687]

yes i read about that too....but nothing ever comes out on its original set date....especially halo 2 being annouced a while ago....i mean just take for example Duke4ever! :D

[Master Bob]

Im not too pissed of. Id rather have a better game, then a rushed one were they could not implement all they wanted to in the game. Anyways They probably are rushed as it is, since the production has been going on for a little over a year.

[Master Bob]

Oh and just to let all you PS2 and Gamecube fanboys know if your consoles are so good, why did the Navy accept Xbox's on their subs for their seamen to use?!?!?!?!?!?

[dnoyeb2002]

because microsoft runs win2k servers (as far as I know) for the navy and they also gave them a deal on the xboxs (say, free :)). Not that I am arguing with u (since I own an xbox) but I really think Nintendo should have jumped on it (I own a Gamecube first :) ). I understand the whole child-theory, but that is all gonna change soon (I hope). You got to admit games like Rouge Squadron and Sould Calibur 2 (when it comes out) were great games!
- dnoyeb2002
admin@twindragons.ca

[Master Bob]

The GC is the 2nd best console in my opinon, but Nintendo is more geared towards the younger audience

[Lem6687]

The GC is the 2nd best console in my opinon, but Nintendo is more geared towards the younger audience

I believe that most GC games are aimed to all ages. While the games may seem kiddy, they are fun for all ages, which i think is the main point for Nintendo.

[dnoyeb2002]

Amen To That!

[arcele]

I'm upset that Dreamcast isn't a choice.......stop laughing at me........okay so the graphics dont' compare to the other consoles but the games are the best, like nfl2k/nba2k (which i know is available for any console, but was designed for the DC) legacy of kain and stuff. I will always be loyal to my Sega Genesis, and Sega Dreamcast (although Saturn sucked)

[dnoyeb2002]

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I'm upset that Dreamcast isn't a choice.......stop laughing at me........okay so the graphics dont' compare to the other consoles but the games are the best, like nfl2k/nba2k (which i know is available for any console, but was designed for the DC) legacy of kain and stuff. I will always be loyal to my Sega Genesis, and Sega Dreamcast (although Saturn sucked) &nbsp;

I completely agree with u
I had almost forgotten I purchased a dreamcast after my gc, but I palyed it about a week ago, and some of the graphics can compare. Tka Soul Calibur for instance. It is justas good as any game in grpahics today (two year gap). They worked miricules and it deserves more recognition!

[masud911]

i think the dreamcast just had very very bad timing. had it come out with the ps2 and xbox with comparable technology they could have had a chance with all their exclusives!!!!!

[Madblunted]

Yeah I think bad marketing was the problem here cause I thought that system was amazing! almost purchased one...

[Master Bob]

Im not saying that the GC games do not appeal to all ages, they do, but Nintendo is focusing their efforts on hooking the parents of young children to get it because of safer content.

Edit: They did show the first Gamecube as being purple, no offense to purple or anything, but purple is generally associated with an audience between 10 and younger.

[Madblunted]

Yeah I would agree w/ you not to mention that Nintendo still uses text base stuff.. so the kid has to read to get parts of the game. Which is good. I was thinking about a gamecube for my son and daughter, but as w/ the N64 games were borrowed out... yada yada you know the deal....

[Master Bob]

ya having text stuff is cool but voice and text is the best! :D


Edit: Good voice and text is good*

[masud911]

actually.. i dont think voice acting is good in very few cases. i hate cheesy voice acting i hate it! ihate it! i hate it!.... thats just my 2 centz.

[scorpion8535]

I like them all

[razor02097]

I would have to say PS2 would be my choice... one main reason is that the PS2 will play PS1 games... Gaming consoles are not about horsepower... that was proven long ago... I've bought stuff from sony because I've not ever had a problem with sony stuff... the playstation when it first lanched was the most popular gaming system of all time. When the PS2 launched it wasn't like nintendo where you could only play game cube games in their console (for god sake you can't even use the game cube as a DVD player!) yes you can play DVDs in the Xbox but you need a $30.00 remote thingy to do so. the PS2 has a mini GUI built in (with optional remote of course)... also if you wanna show your buddies your saved game....you would have to bring your ENTIRE XBOX! instead of just a tiny memory card... also my hands get tired from holding that HUGE Xbox controler (small hands have trouble holding it because the american controler is so big!) the PS2 standerd controler hasn't changed and you can use a non-duel shock if you want a really lite controller.

PET PEEVES FOR ALL
Xbox has no memory card therefore you need to drag the whole thing to a friends house.

Game cube CANNOT play DVDs (does not have the ability.

PS2..... theres something but I can't think of it right now...

[Lem6687]

I would have to say PS2 would be my choice... one main reason is that the PS2 will play PS1 games... Gaming consoles are not about horsepower... &nbsp;that was proven long ago... I've bought stuff from sony because I've not ever had a problem with sony stuff... &nbsp;the playstation when it first lanched was the most popular gaming system of all time. &nbsp;When the PS2 launched it wasn't like nintendo where you could only play game cube games in their console (for god sake you can't even use the game cube as a DVD player!) &nbsp;yes you can play DVDs in the Xbox but you need a $30.00 remote thingy to do so. &nbsp;the PS2 has a mini GUI built in (with optional remote of course)... also if you wanna show your buddies your saved game....you would have to bring your ENTIRE XBOX! &nbsp;instead of just a tiny memory card... also my hands get tired from holding that HUGE Xbox controler (small hands have trouble holding it because the american controler is so big!) &nbsp;the PS2 standerd controler hasn't changed and you can use a non-duel shock if you want a really lite controller. &nbsp;

PET PEEVES FOR ALL
Xbox has no memory card therefore you need to drag the whole thing to a friends house.

Game cube CANNOT play DVDs (does not have the ability.

PS2..... theres something but I can't think of it right now...


The Xbox DVD Kit, its equivalent to the PS2 Memory Card

The xbox does have memory cards, what do you think those two slots on the top of the controller are for?

heres some http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/prod...sp?pf_id=209494 (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=209494)
http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/prod...sp?pf_id=224945 (http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/categories/products/product.asp?pf_id=224945)

and if i want my buddies to see something. Ill tell them to come to my house to look at it.

PS2 has some bad graphics and seems to be watered down compared to the Xbox.

[masud911]

microsoft planned ahead 2 problemz like urz. they made a memory card 4 ppl that wanted to move round there saved gamez. they also made a smaller controller for pppl with problem also.

[Master Bob]

Also right out of the box you can save games with the Xbox, u do not need to buy a memory card to save ur games u can do it right away!!!!

[razor02097]

the memory cards where RIPPED off from SEGA the same design came on the dreamcast!

Infact the Xbox has many of the same charactoristics as the dreamcast.

1: both controller designs use USB technology
2: They both have windows OS
3: They both have the same "memory card in controller" design
4: did i menton that they are both 128 BIT? (ok so I mistook this fact)

[Master Bob]

well looky here ur WRONG

The xbox has no "windows OS" There is no windows OS even on the Xbox, there is not even an OS.(except for the dashboard, but u can barley call that an OS).

And another thing . . . what microsoft did to design their controller for the Xbox was the asked a bunch of games what they would like in a controller . . . and because the Dreamcast controller was god in its time . . . that is why the design is similary to the dreamcast controller because the gamers liked it.

[razor02097]

You can't possibly tell me there is no OS on the Xbox! No hardware could run without software! Dancing around the fact that microsoft's controller design is EXACTLY like the dreamcast because "gamers liked the design of the dreamcast controller" won't get you anywhere bud THEY TOOK THE DESIGN BECAUSE DREAMCAST SOLD OUT AND IS GONE. Also the Xbox DOES have a windows operating core (otherwise how does it play DVDs? How does it know when you insert a music cd or one with MP3s?) How is it when you install a mod chip and install "evolution X" You are able to use applications of a windows nature? Oh and don't tell me "evolution x" is its own OS because its not. Why can't you people GRIP THE CONCEPT that Microsoft is trying to make a console that is a computer?? Microsoft's Xbox took ideas from many places just like every other thing in this world! The Xbox is 10X more complicated then the average PS2 or game cube... the problem is because it is more complicated and it does have more moving parts (i.e the hard drive, etc) it makes it louder and more likely to break! The Xbox has a long way to go before the gaming industry will sell into the idea. RIGHT NOW MILLIONS WILL STICK WITH PS2 AND GAME CUBE....
oh and no I'm not wrong

[Lem6687]

First off...who cares if xbox has a windows os....what does PS2 have. All these lameass excuses for all you PS2 Fanboys are pathetic. PS2 has tons more horrible games than good ones. The only reason to buy a PS2 is for GTA Vice City, that will be elimated soon because its coming to the PC, thus, no reason for PS2.

All you PS2 Fanboys call xbox exactly like a computer. Well what do you expect from a system with excelent graphics. What the hell is PS3 gonna be....its gonna be a friggen computer. Just wait till the PS3 comes out, because all you PS2 fanboys are gonna look so stupid calling Xbox a computer when PS3 will be even more of a computer than Xbox is!

Copying Memory Cards? Thats the most ridiculus thing ive ever heard, and the lamest exuse ive ever heard from a PS2 fanboy. ALl memory cards look teh same, the GC ones look exactly like the PS2 ones, and they both go in hte same spot, thus meaning GC ripped PS2...WRONG!

Both Controlls designed with USB technology......and? So what if there both the same. PS2 isnt, meaning there out of date. USB is the way to be nowadays.

PS2 and Dreamcast are 128 bit, not Xbox :roll:

heres some more FACTS for you

ps2: 300mhz core
xbox: 733mhz core

ps2 memory: none
xbox memory: 64mb

ps2 graphics clock frequency: 150 mhz and the card is some no name jo blow
Xbox:250MHz custom chip named XGPU, developed by Microsoft and nVIDIA


Oh look what we have here in the I/O specs of the PS2: Interface Types: IEEE1394, Universal Serial Bus (USB)


Memory Card in the Controller...hmm....thats a definate copy. The slots on the top of the control were originally designed for the speaker device when playing XBL. but then again GC copied PS2 with the memory card slot. WRONG.

Sheesh

[masud911]

hahahah xbox a 128 system?!?!?! i don think u no ur factz rite. jus listen 2 wut lem sez.

[razor02097]

if the Xbox isn't a computer then what the heck is it?! Microsoft wanted to make a console but what they came out with is a computer! (hard drive, INTEL chipset, nvidia card, exc. if you put a different BIOS in it and rig a keyboard to it it WOULD be a computer....and why are you calling me a "ps2 fanboy"? If I want to play a game I'll pull one of my PS1 games out....why do I have a PS2? CAUSE I CAN STACK ON IT!! The only reason I have a PS2 is because it plays PS1 games XBOX WON'T DO THAT!!

You must come to accept that Sony has the upper hand on the fact that "playstation" has more PS2 games then Xbox and more PS1 games then any system available....combined!......another thing is that playstation has exclusive imported games too....any anime gamer also has a modded playstation with amine games (gee lemmi guess "so what?") I'll tell you "so what" anime is what many people like and anime is not dieing in fact its growing...anime is weeding into many american games and when it comes to gaming systems sony beats them all hands down......oh and sony isn't holding back the power of their consoles like microsoft is...the ps2 is...

more stylish
worth the money doesn't need to package 2 games to sell the console
backwards compatible (tripling the number of games available)
a popular (with many TRUE anime games)
more chosen then Xbox will ever be
much lighter and smaller then Xbox
MORE DURABLE THEN XBOX (if you drop an Xbox the HDD has a head crash for starters)

the only thing Xbox has going for it is....

Xbox has a hard drive
halo is on Xbox

Yeah I'll give you those......also
BTW you people know nothing about the REAL ps3...bacause sony NEVER RELESED ANY INFORMATION....NONE...AT ALL!! I'll also say that the OS on the ps2 is similar to a unix machine (NOTICE I SAID SIMILAR) meaning that it has the same relyability and structure. The GUI is constant and the resorces required to run it are VERY minimal.... The playstation 2 also HAS RAM memory! The hardware is nothing if you don't use it all...the ps2 video card FYI is sony's exclusive 33 video card designed specifically FOR the playstation!


My friend was playing a fighting game...I tried taking the disk out and the fight did not stop...did not freeze (like the PS1 did)....the only thing that happend was when he finished the match the ps2 ask to put in the disk if you do the game continues no problem and no data loss.

When you debate the topic tell me why Xbox is better not why I'm wrong about microsoft's intentions and how Microsoft isn't a theif that they did everything internally and from scratch. How they are the "good little christin boys" of the gaming industry (cause they arn't, probly the most guilty of them all!) You have to be pretty low to start calling me names and I don't need to use foul language that needs to be "***" out.

[apeter]

Oh shiz, what's goin' on here? all 3 (4?) of you guys need to just calm down!

That said I'll put my 2 cents in. no evoX is not an operating system by itself, but then again look and any version of windows that doesn't run off the NT kernal, they're just GUI's for DOS, all evoX exists as is a GUI for the Xbox.

Still, the Xbox is a darn good computer for its price, no? and all of the underground software is opensource, so you can do whatever you want with it, just like linux which makes it (if I can make a quote of the above) similar to UNIX in it's own sort of way

[Master Bob]

Oh and sony has RELASED info on the PS3, ive read it in GameInfromer.

Yes if the PS2 is not a computer than why is it called Sony Personal Computer entairtanement Device.

If PS2 is so good then whats up wioth its crappy play online service????

PS2 has more games because it has been out longer. That means crap. Lem is right PS2 does not have that many good games. Xbox has a better good game/bad game ratio then the PS2 had when it was out for the same amount of time.

[razor02097]

Thats all a matter of personal opinion. Like me....I like RPGs...Xbox has very few AND THEY SUCK!!! Xbox could be out for a hundred years and still not have any good games. the PS2 game good/bad ratio is there because HUNDREDS of personal companys program for them...its up to sony to put the playstation symbol on the game and when a company says "hey I'll give you Xmillion dollars to put playstation on this game" why would they refuse? I know the games I like, I know what to avoid, I have many more choices.

Oh and Your "game informer" site is only refering to rumors....yeah I've heard about the new "cell" technology rumor too....I also heard they where putting a coffee maker in it too...I'm sure you could find many rumors out there and call the ps3 what you want but there is no way Microspoof will keep up with a 128 bit system (maybe higher) if there was a faster processor and the ability to have e-mail, tv, whatever...its over! "MESS WITH THE BEST.....DIE LIKE THE REST".....Sony had it made when they came out with the playstation! I'll also add that microsoft is LOOSING MONEY on the Xbox its just they have more money to waste...Xbox is a fish out of water and microsoft is paying to pour glasses of water on it to keep it alive. Sony has made more money therefore can research into new technology alternatives for the PS3.

one more note.....game consoles are ALL computers! they are consitered to be computers....I don't recall ever saying the ps3 wasn't a computer....The ps3 will be a kick butt computer also its SCES not SPCED
Sony COMPUTER Entertainment Systems not "Sony Personal Computer Entertainment Device" (Did you make that up?)

[Lem6687]

I dont know where your pulling these facts out of....there all pretty dumb, especially the one with ejecting the ps2 game and it still being played....well WTF would you wanna do that for? That has to be the lamest feature on PS2

your right, there is a good bad ration of games on ps2. 3/2000. They release all these half assed watered down games which arent even any good.

No good games on Xbox? This shows me you know nothing at all.
Halo
UC
Splinter Cell
Max Payne
All the Sega Sports Games
Ghost Recon
Mech Assault
LOTR: Two Towers
THPS 4
to name a few.....not to mention the stacked line up coming out
Halo 2
RTCW
Phantasy Star Online (and dont tell me this isnt a good rpg)
Brute Force
Enter Matrix


and the list goes on.

and that MESS WITH THE BEST.....DIE LIKE THE REST slogan....PS2 is the one dieing out, nobodies buying PS2's anymore. Its all about the better graphics, and the better gameplay. Both of which Xbox owns PS2 in.

Now to get back on track with these Controllers every seems to bring up in these Debates. I agree that the PS2 are better to use, but the Xbox controlls are a helluva lot more durable than PS2 controlls. I had PS1 and 3 of my controllers broke just from droping them on the rug in my room...Out of all the people I know that have PS2 controllers, theres have broken in some way as well. Also not being able to play certain games with out dual shock? Whats up with that. about 90 percent of the games dont even require the dual shock to play, yet you cant play the game right without them? I dont get it

I never said that Xbox wasnt a computer, even though its not, its a console, its very similar to a computer. Theres a fine line between a console and a computer, obviously you dont see it but whatever.

Well this is a smart comment

The only reason I have a PS2 is because it plays PS1 games XBOX WON'T DO THAT!!

Well of course xbox wont play PS1 games!!!!! why the heck would they? Two diffrent companies competing against each other, but its ok to be able to play Sony games on a Microsoft system. Smart

Anime sucks. Thats all there is too it. Its not big in the US, nor will it ever be. Having ridiculus hair, ability to fly at will, and being able to throw fire balls and sonic booms out of your palms is a tad bit lame.

The number 1 thing that annoys me about PS2 fanboys is that they all say that PS2 has more games than xbox, meaning its better.
WELL NO FRIGGEN DUH! I mean you expect it to have less games, coming out a year earlier than the xbox. Not to mention extremely bad games that PS2 comes out with to boost there stats....

And of course you dont recall ever saying PS3 wasnt a computer. You never mentioned PS3!

[razor02097]

obviously you don't read my posts because I talked about the PS3 many times!

none of those games intrest me....Playstation isn't dieing...not by a long shot

also taking half-a-page isn't like your stating anything important. Infact many stores have more returns on Xbox then any other gaming system.

You need to just calm down and realize that if you want to play you play with that underpowered tinkertoy you call a gaming console and when I want to play a real game I will go play on my computer or my PS2 HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[masud911]

alright i don wanna get outta hand but wait a minute, ur sayin ps2 is more durable then an xbox. on wut termz do u make these statements? i loved my ps2 4 about 2 months...then s**t started happenin like the controller wuznt respodning. n now my ps2 is dead cause it fell off of a 2 foot tall stand THATZ WUT U CALL DURABLE EH!!!

[apeter]

If the tone of this thread doesn't get any lighter it's gonna be locked.

[Madblunted]

If the tone of this thread doesn't get any lighter it's gonna be locked.

oh whatever.. isnt that being extreme... lol

interesting to read them argue, points are being made.. as a future xbox or ps2 or gamecube buyer these are all good arguments.. some not true but others make a point.. but dont lock it... Let people voice the opinion let yoshi decide if its offensive...

[apeter]

I understand what your saying, but points can be made without blasting the other guy 'cause you don't agree with their points, which has happened in every post after lem pointed out that the Xbox has mem. cards in the controller, and that seemed to hurt the other guys feelings.

[Master Bob]

First of . . .
when did we say Microsoft WANTED to make money of the Xbox, huh when was it? when did microsoft say they wanted to make Money of off the xbox huh?? Microsoft is in the cnsole wars for the Long run.
Sony COMPUTER Entertainment Systems not "Sony Personal Computer Entertainment Device" (Did you make that up?)Im sorry u dont need to spaz over a mistake I made. the point was that the Ps2 is a computer. U can not bash on the xbox saying oh it was designed to be a computer when SO WAS THE PS2.
The hard drive is a magnificent add-on, with it you have basicly no loading times.

Oh u can not make the point the Ps2 is "backwards compatible" when the Xbox is 16+x more backwards compatablie than the PS2 can EVER be.

What about PS2's online scene? i have not heard anything about it? That is because there is none and even if u say their is a small shred of an online scene it is dwarfed my the massive XBL.

Sony has relaesed information about the PS3, its going to be 100x(or some relatively high figure) more powerfull than the Ps2 and the cell technology u are refering to about is in the Ps2 and is going to be improved upon in the Ps3.

How many people actually can use Unix efficiently?

who cares about the Ps2's video card, it is dwarfed by the xbox's. when the Xbox came out it had the Best graphical capabilities in the public sector! And Nvidia made the GPU specifically for the xbox.

So morrowind sucks???? Morrowinfd SUCKS!!!!! Come on, and dont say oh morrowind came out for the PC first because that does not matter. What about baldausr gate:dark Alliance? What about Fable?

Sony is losing money on each Ps2 sale as well. All the console sellers(nintendo, microsoft, and sony) lose money on each console they sell and this has been true from the beggining.

Oh and please do not quote Hackers, seriously. When you quote Hackers you are insulting the movie, and all hackers everywhere.

Note to apeter: thats the problem with text, the emotions which go along with speaking are defined by the reader.

[apeter]

Indeed, but now it's my turn to enter the ring. Yeah the Xbox loses $100 with every sale, but game makers have to pay microsoft for every game they sell so that evens it out. and you can pop linux on the xbox and emulate any other console....meaning there's no reason to have another.
I don't recall ever saying the ps3 wasn't a computer
but you bashed the Xbox for being a computer.

[Master Bob]

Okay more points:also my hands get tired from holding that HUGE Xbox controler that is why the controller S was released, and why it comes with the Xbox. Also the Xbox's primary "focus group" is older teens and adults. microsoft's controller design is EXACTLY like the dreamcast I am sorry but this is a total and utter lie, and can only be explained by ignorance.Also the Xbox DOES have a windows operating corethe xbox has a custom designed "OS" which is not a windows operating coreYou are able to use applications of a windows nature?people coded those files from the ground up and the only reason they resemble windows is just a coincidence

note: This is a discussion, not a ream on one person. We need to get another Pro-ps2 person here to have the discussion be a little bit more even.

[Lem6687]

also taking half-a-page isn't like your stating anything important

you just contradicted yourself. Half of your posts in this threads are just as long as mine. Posting the half a page of FACTS is just countering your ignorance.

[razor02097]

your right Lem, sometimes I can't control myself I did not mean to turn this into a war :cry: , *sigh* I just wanted to post My first post and that was it... of course you made good points and convinced me but.. if I get an Xbox I'll wait till the new version comes out and give microsoft a fair chance :twisted: . I'll THEN see which I play more :lol:

[Madblunted]

No matter what.. we as a consumer will end up getting whats hot eventually.. I mean look.. ps2 came out.. it was the bomb.. everyone and their dog wanted one. There was a "shortage" and you could not get one for less than 399 it sucked but oh well.. now the xbox came out last year, and its whats hot. everyone wants on of those too. Personally I prefer a computer, but. I am in the market for a gaming console. I am going to go with the xbox. My daughter wants that dancing game you see in the arcades soooo bad she says and she said xbox is the only thing that comes one..

and I love that game halo.. I was going to purchase a ps2 to install into my jeep but then I figured the only game I would play on it would be gta3 and vice city.. also not to mention that that would be for the back seat only..

So the bottom line we will always get whats new.. and if you have something older like a ps2 and prefer it.. so be it. xbox is new better graphics... etc..

I still love the way a ps2 looks tho....

All I know is when I get a xbox I am going to cut that ugly x out and install some acrylic cover on the top.. or something for some reason I dont like that green and black scheme..

my opinion is that the Xbox is a better machine.. but my pc is better than both..

if you want the ultimate gaming box.. make a yboxx!!

[razor02097]

well the Xbox I would have would have most of the mods that was shown on TSS like a bigger HDD, mod chip and evolution X. and you can bet that I will mod a controler to also work on my PC : P

as far as dancing games go.. try here (http://www.redoctane.com) theres "Dance Dance Revolution" for PSX and "Pump it up" for PC
Anyone that knows of an Xbox dance game please post a link

[Madblunted]

ahh if thats the case.. I will purchaseing that game for her on the pc.. then just direct the signal to my via tv via s video, and to the home theater...

now i wont have to give her a freakin 10spot to go play that game when we go to the mall lol.

[razor02097]

yep savin money and you'll never be able to get on your computer again :lol:

[Master Bob]

obviously the PC is better than all consoles but its out of the question, U can not view the PC and consoles on the same platfrom because they are not.

[Lem6687]

obviously the PC is better than all consoles but its out of the question, U can not view the PC and consoles on the same platfrom because they are not.

Exactly, a computer isnt a console, and the topic of debate here is consoles, not pc's....although they may be similar there is a fine line between them.

[razor02097]

consoles are dedicated gaming computers not Personal computers... just like cell phones could be consitered as computers (well newer ones at least.) The point is that the console has the advantage of price and simplicity over a PC.

[PeePeeHead7]

Xbox looks so insane sweet in the near to not so near future...Halo 2, Advent, Brute Force. It also has a slew of sweet games out now, like Splinter Cell, Halo, Mechassault, etc. Plus, Xbox Live is the superior online program...graphics, the controller S is sweet, its all there with Xbox...now if they would just make a mini version...im getting muscular carrying it around. :twisted:

[Gommer Pile]

dont forget bout socom

[Pecker]

hahaha, my friend has 7 Gamecube memory cards!

[Dev67]

pecker why did you bring this up from the grave? :?

[Master Bob]

pecker why did you bring this up from the grave? :?
do u know what, that's a good point.

[Bulgrim]

Why not, The X box is just a stripped down Pentium III computer. If you want comparisons not to happen. tell Microsoft to release a real console. Not some throwaway intel PC running window CE

[Master Bob]

Why not, &nbsp;The X box is just a stripped down Pentium III computer. &nbsp; If you want comparisons not to happen. &nbsp;tell Microsoft to release a real console. &nbsp;Not some throwaway intel PC running window CE

the xbox is better than a 'striped down' PIII computer.

[Lem6687]

Why not, The X box is just a stripped down Pentium III computer. If you want comparisons not to happen. tell Microsoft to release a real console. Not some throwaway intel PC running window CE

you ps2 fanboys are gonna learn to shutup when the ps3 comes out, i mean if you read all my previes xbox is superior to ps2 posts, i got all those points, plus ill have the ones you use on me when the ps3 comes out,

seriously, you think ps2 is far from being a PC? no way, has basically the same "type" of parts the xbox does.

[n0strax]

yeah, ever console has to have some sort of drive, some sort of mainboard, some sort of memory, etc.

xbox parts are just more similar to the parts of a computer

[WhiteRaven007]

I have all three and the Xbox blows them out of the water. (Also doesn’t hurt that I have a 120Gb HD and a Matrix in it) Xbox Media Player may be the coolest thing though.

[Pecker]

My PS2 broke twice already, and now my drive doesnt work right. Whenever i eject the drive, it stops about halfway and starts making a clicking sound, then I have to pull the drive out. The same thing happens to two of my freinds.

[Forezt]

Ps2 drives are screwy that way. Have you tried opening the drive all the way, then turning off your ps2, then turning it back on and shutting the drive? I don't have a PS2, but I heard somewhere that this works.

[Master Bob]

ps2 even has computer in it's name, something like sony's computer entertainment system or whatever

[burchie2001]

Personally I like both PS2 as well as X-Box, probabkly beacause I have them both. I would have to say that as far as Hardware is concerned X-Box is the better of the two. 1.) X-Box is alot faster and has better Graphis. 2.) Who likes spending $24.00 for an 8 Mb PS2 memory card when X-Box has the 8 gig hard drive. Finally X-Box comes with and internal ethernet port, although the add on network adapter for PS2 makes it lok kinda cool.

[[AN]dracowolf]

hey I am new to this forum but here is my opion on the systems.

I like Nintendo for the games for all ages games. I liked Zelda:WindWaker, although thee graphics were not as nice as I would expect.

I like the PS2 for games that are strange, what other system has DDR, or Mr. Misquito. and there are tons of strange, but fun games.

of course now adays the PS2 is also know for a special series FINAL FANTASY, sure the Gamecube has the FF:crystal Cronicals, but that game is a way to get people to buy the GBA link cables and to get GBAs into the hands of the GC owners.

I do not see any games that I would want on the X box that are not done better on other systems.

Halo get it on the PC
Tao Fang: get Mortal Kombat or Soul calibur
Unreal Championship, I can get unreal on the PC.

Me being on dial up, I could give a SH** about online play, that is another reason that I love the GC,

It seems as though the X box and the PS2 are greating half a$$ games and the trying to make them better by putting in an online componet, and with the Xbox you have to pay for X box live.

sorry for my rantings, I just like my games that I can play.