What is and isn't legit debate/discussion

[Master Bob]

its sharing (downloading stuff off kazaa) like letting your friend borrow a computer game

[n0strax]

and illegit computer game where he doesn't give it back

[apeter]

its sharing like letting your friend borrow a computer gameits illegal like letting your friend borrow a computer game

[Master Bob]

okay bad example how bout a music CD?

[apeter]

actually their both good, bob, just need to be ellaborated on...like letting your friend borrow a computer game and have him help you dupe and sell millions of copies.

[Lem6687]

Even downloading music on kazaa is illegal, just it isnt highly looked upon because music downloads are so massive. Its also Illegal to burn a cd and then sell it for a profit.

[apeter]

most music that is :wink:

[Master Bob]

Of course if u just give the burned cd of a game or music is not illegal is it because u are NOT selling i, right?

[apeter]

nope thats illegal too, in most cases, check the EULA of the next program you install, it'll probably even my in the 1st paragraph

[Master Bob]

so what next . . . we cant share clothes?

[apeter]

just as long as it doesn't hinder nike's sales...but seriously back in '92 companies encouraged you to make back ups of all your software, but as the Internet became popular they decided that was a bad idea as software priates became more prevelant

[neb1211]

Backing up a cd for your own personal use isn't illegal is it.

[apeter]

it depends, you have to check the EULA of the software

[Lem6687]

if you own the program, and you make a backup for yourself, thats fine. Distributing the program however is illegal.

[neb1211]

If software wasn't so expensive then people would be more willing to buy it instead of downloading or getting a copy of it. But on the other hand one of the reasons games are so expensive is cuz people piriate them. Why would anyone piriate games though cuz them you can't play the multiplayer options online. That is one of the main reasons that i buy my games. If it wasn't for that i would most get a copy from a friend.

[Master Bob]

But u can play online with pirated copies.

I believe it is best to pirate only single player games that way u do not run into that problem

[Lem6687]

its not right to pirate any games.....but people still do it. And the companies do a good job of making the pirated versions unplayable online...which most games are now...

[Kemo Racer]

What about on networks. Is sharing programs on it illegit?

[apeter]

it's extracting the data off the cd and then copying it to whatever the source is, yes it is illegal

[greg_gorrell]

I think that if a person pays for a licence to software or pays for the cd, that person should have the right to do whatever he/she wants to do with it. It shouldn't be illegal since they paid for the software and are letting whoever they want use it.

[apeter]

but if that persons clicks the "I agree" button after the EULA then they're bound to the contract made by the software manufacturer.

[neb1211]

I think that if a person pays for a licence to software or pays for the cd, that person should have the right to do whatever he/she wants to do with it.  It shouldn't be illegal since they paid for the software and are letting whoever they want use it.
so what you are saying is kazaa should be legal. Then how would you expect software developers to make any money. They would be forced to raise the prices even more.

[razor02097]

as someone who programs I can tell you ITS HARD AND TIME CONSUMING! If I had a program I wanted to sell....sold 10 copies then found it on Kazaa for free I would be mad and felt taken advantage of... now on the other hand I have a few freeware programs that I don't care where they end up.

[neb1211]

tru dat. You are basically stealing money from someone who deserves it. If someone sells their program to someone only for them to turn around and pirate it the programer is not going to put as much effort into the program cuz he isn't getting what he deserves. The person pirating the program is basically only hurting everyone

[Master Bob]

Well in case you did not hear, the supreme court said that grokster and another file-sharing company are NOT responsible for what users of the program do.

[razor02097]

well that may be trut that the file sharing companies arn't responsable for what people share but its still not fair to the programmers that spen hours on something or the music people who put their time and effort into something.

[neb1211]

Well in case you did not hear, the supreme court said that grokster and another file-sharing company are NOT responsible for what users of the program do.Yeah i heard that. I totally agree. I will download games and stuff off of kazaa and try it out. If i like the game i will buy it but if i hate it i will just uninstall it and never play it again. It isn't right though for someone to just download something without any intention of buying what they just downloaded though. Another thing that could be done is for game developers to lower the price of software. I would be even more willing to for over 25 bucks instead of 50 bucks.

[Madblunted]

Well in case you did not hear, the supreme court said that grokster and another file-sharing company are NOT responsible for what users of the program do.Yeah i heard that. I totally agree. I will download games and stuff off of kazaa and try it out. If i like the game i will buy it but if i hate it i will just uninstall it and never play it again. It isn't right though for someone to just download something without any intention of buying what they just downloaded though. Another thing that could be done is for game developers to lower the price of software. I would be even more willing to for over 25 bucks instead of 50 bucks.

This is why what masterbob says is the reason riaa is going after individuals now... they get the ips from those services like kazaa and isps and then they sue the individual.. so if your at a school or campus and they have a nat 'ed network.. you will get that school in trouble. or place of business

[razor02097]

this is what shareware is for... companies that program shareware set dates or don't give all the features to a program....then you can buy the real thing later.

[Smaug]

Thought I'd say this to clear things up a little. In most cases you are allowed to make one copy of game so that if it is scratched or something you still have a copy. You cannot give away that copy or sell it. However if you sell or give away your original you must destroy the copy.

[Anonymous]

just about everything in this country is illegal :lol:

using a server operating system as a workstation, i'm sure thats illegal too right :roll:

[razor02097]

Tweek has a point

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